[Kaz sits, and sighs like he's about to deflate. There's a spark there, an old jealousy that had stirred up when Ocelot had told him what he and that Snake did. And when he's settled in the chair, he rests his hands in his lap to consider how to talk about it. Joy, to her credit, seems content to become a flat dog rug of tiredness on the floor.]

He talked about himself a lot.

[Yes, some people know.]

[He decides in his infinite wisdom to not mention the Ocelot thing. Probably for the better. It wasn't with this man, after all.]

He didn't do that much. There was a prison station that made him hallucinate. And... he tried to help me, still. Started having nightmares.

He actually showed up before he knew who he was. At the same time as Big Boss, so I confronted Big Boss and made him go talk to him. [As much as one can "make" Big Boss do anything.] DD showed up a few weeks later and that's what happened.